A nightmare on the bench, part 2
My "nightmare" criticisms of this instrument focused primarily on its poorly designed accessibility for servicing.
By Brad Thompson, Contributing Technical Editor -- Test & Measurement World, 2/1/2011 12:00:00 AM
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Readers may recall that my "nightmare" criticisms of this instrument focused primarily on its poorly designed accessibility for servicing. Wiring bundles for the large iron-core power transformer and heat-sink assembly are too short to allow easy repositioning of these heavy components.
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Noting that the AC-input voltage selector switch allowed for operation for 100-, 120-, 220-, and 240-V power lines, I verified that the switch was set for 120 V. Next, I traced the transformer's primary-side wiring, confirming that 120 V reached to the 120-V primary-winding tap. Finally, I bypassed the input-selector circuitry and connected a variable-voltage AC source to the transformer. With around 90 VAC applied, the raw DC outputs are within specifications.
Also, at 90 VAC, a faint buzzing sound that I had absent-mindedly noticed disappeared. On a hunch, I measured the transformer's excitation current—at 120 VAC, some 75 mA are going somewhere, likely into acoustic energy and core losses. The transformer's primary has thus apparently partially short-circuited, effectively altering the turns ratio and raising the DC output voltages. Finding a replacement for this custom-manufactured transformer is highly unlikely.
At that point, I should have declared victory and moved on, but further probing has uncovered several additional component failures, none of which repair the power supply's malfunctions. Its transformer, circuit boards, and aluminum parts—everything except its meters—are headed for the scrap bins!
REFERENCE
1. "A nightmare on the bench," Test voices, Test & Measurement World, December 2010/January 2011. p. 13. www.tmworld.com/2010_12.
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Talkback
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75 mA is not only expected but most of that will be out of phase with the voltage. Any noise being generated will be caused by the laminations vibrating. This is why all mains transformers are dipped in varnish to prevent this happening. As it ages with time and heat it is quite usual for some of the laminations to become 'unstuck' giving rise to noise that increases with the current (load).
I would say that you have buried it before it is dead!
Bob Moreton - 2011-25-2 04:50:52 EST -
Further to...
From past experience a transformer with a shorted winding becomes extremely hot and extremely stinky.
Other overheated areas could be the past history result of placing many instruments close together on the bench and piling books and papers on top. Without adequate ventilation anything will overheat.
Glen Chenier - 2011-24-2 17:48:36 EST -
Here is a way to test a transformer for a shorted winding. Connect a non-suspect winding to an inductance measuring instrument such as an RLC bridge. Short together the leads of the suspect winding. If that winding is already shorted internally then shorting the external leads will make little difference to the inductance. If, however, the measured inductance takes a flying leap downwards when the leads are shorted together then you know the winding is not shorted internally. Repeat for all windings.
Glen Chenier - 2011-24-2 17:21:36 EST -
I would expect, unless otherwise stated, that the unregulated voltages marked on the schematic for a power supply would be AT FULL LOAD, so I would not be even slightly bothered that they were 25% high at no load. With light loading, the filter capacitors would be charged to near the peak of the sine wave voltages.
75mA of magnetizing current for a large iron core transformer is certainly not even remotely excessive. The notion that there was a shorted turn in the transformer is illogical based on two pieces of evidence:
A shorted turn would result in much higher primary current. A shorted turn behaves as a short circuited 1-turn winding on the transformer, so the expected current would be VERY high.
A single shorted turn, if it acted to "remove" the turn from the primary, would have negligible effect in terms of the turns ratio of an iron core 50-60Hz transformer.
Blame HP all you want for making the layout difficult, but blame yourself for complete lack of understanding of how transformers behave for the decision to scrap the supply.
Doug Wilson - 2011-24-2 11:42:07 EST
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