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Incandescents, fluorescents, LEDs, oh my!
March 24, 2008

Have we entered the lighting-efficiency Twilight Zone? Andrew Leonard, in his “How the world works” column for Salon, seems to think so: “You are traveling through another dimension—a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. That's how ‘How the World Works’ feels after striving to parse the implications of an article that adds new complexity to the ever popular debate over which is better: compact fluorescent or incandescent light bulbs.”

The Twilight Zone, perhaps, or maybe the Land of Oz, with Dorothy chanting,” Incandescents, fluorescents, LEDs, oh my!” and the wizard exhorting us, "Bring me the filament of the Wicked Incandescent Bulb of the West"—such bulb having been invented, of course, in the western hemisphere. (In this formulation, the compact fluorescent, or perhaps the LED, is Glinda the Good Bulb of the North, I guess, but let’s not push the allusions too far.)

Before getting to the article that seems to perplex Leonard of Salon, let’s recap what’s been happening in the RBI electronics blogosphere. Paul Rako at EDN in a green-baiting post called “LED lighting—yet more green BS” takes issue with environmental claims for LEDs; Rako nominates the CFL for the Glinda role. Paul Scheidt, a product marketing manager from Cree Solid State Lighting, send a response, which Rako’s posted in “Cree on my LED lighting post.”

In the article that Leonard in Salon comments on, Toronto Star columnist Tyler Hamilton questions the whole idea of the switch away from incandescent lighting. He asks, “…is it wise to outright ban the old Edison light bulb in Ontario? Across Canada? A year ago this writer would have had one answer: Definitely. But the answer, it turns out, shouldn't be so clear cut.” Hamilton cites a paper titled "To Switch or Not to Switch: A Critical Analysis of Canada's Ban on Incandescent Light Bulbs," by Michael Ivanco, a senior scientist at Atomic Energy of Canada, and professor Bryan Karney and graduate student Kevin Waher from the department of civil engineering at the University of Toronto.

Hamilton derives these suggestions from the paper: “If you live in Alberta, which relies heavily on fossil fuels for both its power generation and home heating, then switching to CFLs always makes sense…. [But] In provinces such as Manitoba and Quebec, which rely primarily on emission-free electricity, you can come to the opposite conclusion. Using clean hydropower to light up an incandescent bulb and fill your home with residual heat during the winter will release fewer greenhouse gases than using a natural gas furnace to provide that same amount of heat.”

Leonard at Salon comes to this conclusion: “’To Switch or Not to Switch’ does not appear to be available online, so it's hard to get a sense of how rigorous the argument is…. And the calculus varies considerably if you move from the frozen tundra down to, say, California's Great Central Valley during the summertime. In that scenario, the heat from light bulbs only adds to the load of your air conditioner -- no matter what is fueling the grid. In every scenario, a different solution. The 21st century could turn out to be hard for absolutists.”

I don’t think so. If you live in a place with clean, cheap hydroelectricity, install electric heating. And even if you’re stuck with a legacy fossil fuel heating system and can’t afford to convert, you should know, as various commenters have pointed out, a light bulb is poor at distributing heat where you want it, so you’re better off supplementing your fossil fuel system with an electric space heater.

This 21st century absolutist says, if energy savings (and not aesthetic considerations) is your main concern, install CFLs, whether you live in El Azizia or Quebec City. When the CFLs you install today burn out, take another look at LEDs.


Posted by Rick Nelson on March 24, 2008 | Comments (10)


March 24, 2008
In response to: Incandescents, fluorescents, LEDs, oh my!
Semiman commented:

Last time I checked, provinces such as Manitoba and Quebec, with their low production costs, and excess capacity sell as much of their electricity as they can. That would imply that every little bit that does not go to light up an incandescent light will be exported to somewhere that likely has a high reliance on fossil fuels and the like for electricity production. Hence that argument about where your electricity comes from pretty much goes out the windows.




March 24, 2008
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Meredith Poor commented:

Hydropower is not emissions-free. Water impoundments are populated by bacteria that produce methane. This methane is released when the water undergoes a significant reduction in pressure, which occurs as the water is released from the impoundment. There are researchers trying to figure out how to capture the methane for productive use. This shouldn't take more than a few years, but as of right now hydropower contributes to greenhouse gases.




March 24, 2008
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Stiggle commented:

The bottom line is the cost. Since CFLs and LEDs use less energy for the same amount of light, it costs less than incandescent because less energy is used. No need to look further.




March 24, 2008
In response to: Incandescents, fluorescents, LEDs, oh my!
Dennis commented:

Has anyone ever done a comparison of total cost of the various lighting options? Manufacturing costs and resources required for production, energy consumed during the life of the light, and recycling/disposal at end of life?




March 24, 2008
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PaulR commented:

I'm a big fan of "zonal" heating, but, in the winter my house still needs some general heating, which is one reason why I switch to incandescents in many areas, in the winter. So far as I can tell, virtually none of the incandescent watts are "wasted". They are also much safer than electric space heaters (although I use those as well.) Additionally (I should really go back and check in on the Rako discussion) I still find modern FL fixtures and bulbs (including CFL's), which I use more than anything else, in general much less reliable and durable than claimed. That greatly raises costs, exacerbates disposal issues, and so on.




March 24, 2008
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david strong commented:

Incandescent bulbs are not designed to deliver heat efficiently into living spaces. Although they are often used for that purpose, for example, to keep pipes from freezing, that's because of ease and availability, NOT efficiency. Heat tape would be a much more energy-efficient solution. Likewise, incandescent light in the ceiling (where much light is located) is a POOR substitute for electric baseboard heat with diffusing fins. Couple that with the transferrability of electric power, and the high efficiency of point-of-use gas residential gas furnaces, and the argument seems pretty far-fetched.




March 25, 2008
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PaulR commented:

Incidentally, correct about heat tape, but I use heat tape on "remote" pipes, a light bulb to help make sure the well pump and pressure tank don't freeze up if unused on a cold night.




March 25, 2008
In response to: Incandescents, fluorescents, LEDs, oh my!
PaulR commented:

I'd disagree w/ David about the efficiency, in some situations. Many, many rooms are lit entirely by table or floor lamps. Hotel and motel rooms being one example, my parents' living room being another. Many other people are strong on track lighting. Nice, diffuse radiation heating (heats the people, not just the air, you know!) When it comes to my own house, well, a watt that heats up the living space is a watt that heats up the living space. Now, if part of the heat goes somewhere else, or convects warm air into the attic, that's a different story. But, in my house, 1st floor incandescents' heat all ends up either on the 1st floor, or the 2nd floor. (100% efficiency.) The fixtures in the 2nd floor ceiling all get CFL's year-round (even if they don't hold up as well as advertised, they are still cost efficient, there.) I've even once taken a dead 4 ft. fluorescent fixture and turned it into a reflector for a string of long-life incandescents: Wonderful overhead light / heat lamp in the shop, in the winter. (Granted, to replace a bulb, I have to grab the soldering gun, but, what day do I not grab the soldering gun?) I guess I should make another: I have a whole stack of dead FL fixtures to work with. (This post was supposed to be 1st, but apparently did not go through the 1st time.)




April 8, 2008
In response to: Incandescents, fluorescents, LEDs, oh my!
JH commented:

CFLs may be more efficient, but I hate to see an outright ban on incandescents. There are many applications for incandescents: heater lights for reptiles and terrariums, lights in ovens, special effect lighting for chandeliers, special lighting for museums, theaters, etc., etc. There are probably many niche applications that I can't even think of here. What are people going to do if they can't get incancdescents for these purposes?




April 25, 2008
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A. Ramirez, CA USA commented:

I have had at least 3 (out of a dozen) CFL’s die in the last couple of years. The claim is that they should last several years, or much longer than incandescents. I heard claims that they should be recycled properly due to mercury content. Who is going to do that? I heard that CFL light is not that good for our eyes, any truth to that? I tried to use CFL’s in lamps –outdoor- with photo sensors and dimmers, but they won’t work. If I want to use CFL’s with photo sensors or dimmer I must also buy new lamps. More waste to the dump.





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